01 Mar 2011
PAYE has had its fair share of problematic headlines which will no doubt have caused some major headaches within HM Revenue & Customs. HMRC's solution? To make substantial changes to PAYE, gathering real time information for tax and Universal Credit purposes through the Bacs payment system.
The ‘Real Time Information' (RTI) concept will collect information about tax and other deductions automatically each time employers run their payroll. This information will be submitted automatically to HMRC at the same time the employees are paid.
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The purported aim is to reduce administration costs and improve the accuracy of PAYE. However, this prescription won't ease any headaches.
Instead of reaching for a quick remedy, HMRC needs to consider the original root of the pain. You could argue that the recent failings of the long-established PAYE regime have been due to maladministration by HMRC and their inability to adapt the system in relatively modest ways to cope with changing circumstances, and that these issues need to be addressed first.
Considering HMRC's track record with reconciling PAYE and National Insurance Contributions annually, it doesn't instil confidence that that they would be any more successful in clearing the much greater number of reconciliations potentially arising on a monthly or weekly basis under RTI.
HMRC is planning that large employers use the new system from January 2013, allowing very little time for software vendors and in-house developers to upgrade their payroll systems. This will expose employers not only to extra costs but also to the risk of being left non-compliant - I refer you back to the purported aim to reduce administration costs and improve the accuracy of PAYE.
Of greater concern is that the new regime will not have been piloted for an entire annual cycle to prove that it works and to identify teething troubles and other questions that would arise. If such a project is undertaken it surely needs to be approached at a more cautious and measured pace.
No other country has anything comparable with the Bacs system, nor has any attempted to introduce any tax reporting system equivalent to RTI. HMRC is therefore entering uncharted territory; where project failure could further undermine confidence in the PAYE system, with devastating effects on revenue flows to the Exchequer and consequential damage to the international credibility of the UK. It should be considered that these risks outweigh the potential rewards of RTI.
HMRC has openly consulted on the RTI proposals for which ICAS lodged a submission. Let's hope that they listen. Proceeding on the basis suggested would risk the health of the project; creating a strong possibility that it might share the embarrassing and costly fate of many other failed public sector IT schemes in recent years.
Donald Drysdale is assistant director of Tax at ICAS and a Chartered IT Professional
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Further concerns
I attended a meeting at SAGE offices in Reading today (4th March 2011), at which two members of HMRC presented the new system. Although I am happy to believe that the GBP 3.5 Bn (their figure) currently being mis-spent on freeloaders and thieves should go towards paying for nurses and the NHS, I still think that handing over my personal tax affairs to the folks at BACS is a bad move. I did voice my concerns at this meeting and was blandly fobbed off with vague assurances that the FSA (with a question mark over it's continuity) and other regulatory bodies would safeguard our information. I was not reassured. And this from an organisation that has lost disks containing the tax records of countless of tax payers! Also asking us to believe that bankers are trustworthy is a bit rich in the current circumstances.
There must be a better way of achieving the laudable aims of reducing tax fraud without exposing our data to greater risk. I believe that the HMRC should think of a better solution. I will be lobbying my MP until his ears bleed. I think as this is unchartered territory, more consultation time needs to be had. I hope I am not alone in this opinion. (Incidentally, two otherdelegates at the meeting came to me afterwards and voiced supporting views on this. I don't think I am alone in these concerns).
Let's hope that common sense prevails and more time is allowed for sensiblke discussion.
Posted by: Anthony Dalton, 04 Mar 2011 | 20:19
The Real Fraud - Useless HMRC Bosses
Since the majority of the failures at HMRC PAYE is the continual merrigoround of moving office to office where no one knows anything about anything let alone PAYE rules and regulations and that no one has any authority to make a decision or is willing to make a decision. That the computer system which cost us many millions does not work, and that the staff they are newly employing are badly trained, and effectively fairly useless constantly referring to "what is on the system" ! How many of us have received dozens of incorrect codings for people who have pensions elsewhere, earnings elsewhere or who retired years ago and who get nothing now but HMRC are hell bent on demanding money that is simply not due. Our office has had 72 mistakes so far since January 2011.
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Do they really think we are going to give these people access to our dwindling bank accounts, because they are too lazy and stupid to cross check their own records and catch the criminals who carry out these fiddles and frauds over and over, I don't think so!
Take your hand out of my pocket or you might well find I put a rat trap in there. Try using commonsense if you can find anyone at the top of HMRC who actually has any.
Posted by: Kate, 08 Mar 2011 | 11:49